How high can a flange be above the finished floor? ... Use a level to make sure the repair flange is level, then screw it into the floor. I applied ABS cement to the inside of the cemented ABS piece and to the outside of the flange. – Andrew Jun 7 '13 at 19:34 Purchase a toilet flange extension ring thick enough to raise the toilet mounting surface so that it's approximately 1/4-inch above the level of the finished tile floor. Why? This can be a very serious issue since it can cause some sewer gases to leak around the bathroom. Ideally, your supposed to remove the toilet to retile the floor, then place the toilet ON TOP of the new tile, with it sitting flush on the floor. Help, our floor is level, we redid the plumbing and re-positioned the toilet. I vacuumed out the holes to get rid of the resulting concrete dust. I installed the new sub-floor underneath the flange of the existing cast iron closet flange. Place the wax gasket on the toilet flange. Im not "sure" if the horn went into the pipe, however I am assuming it has is there is about 1 cm space between the toilet and the tile floor. 2-I can use shims + caulk around which held for last 5 years but I had to remove the toilet to retile the floor. Is the flange too low? It seems that the consensus is to use a silicon caulk to secure the toilet after shimming, not grout. I recently removed old tile from the bathroom floor, planning to install new tile. There is always a chance a toilet may leak around or at the base at any time. Had an old 4 bolt toilet. The toilet itself is about half a century old, and has FOUR holes for securing it, two where flange bolts usually are, and two up towards the front that bolt into the floor. Im 80% completed my bathroom reno. the moment of truth: Using the Tapcon drill bit, I drilled four holes down into the concrete to line up with the holes on the flange. If your toilet seems to move when you sit on it and there's no apparent damage to the floor, or if it just feels crooked, chances are it's out of level. posted by H21 at 2:26 PM on December 7 For flanges that are a little low, thicker wax rings will adequately fill any minimal extra space. Measure the distance from the top of the toilet flange to the top of the finished tile floor. Most times the flooring guys have put in a new tile floor without having a plumber re-rough the flange to proper height. Sold as blister pack of four sizes: 1/8 inch, 1/4 inch, 1/2 inch and 3/4 inch height. In order for this not to happen the toilet flange must sit above the finished floor by at least 1/4″. 5. If you’re in luck the closet flange extender will be level, but if it’s not…you’ll have to shim your toilet when you install it. Maybe 1/4, but thats pushing it. I worried if I miss with this too much the wax ring seal will break. It's not quite that simple, though. If adding washers or shims fixed the problem, the only thing left to do is to caulk the toilet the the floor. I've actually done this procedure so I know it works. Sounds like the wrong flange was used, or and improper intallation on the wax ring, or wrong size wax ring. Thanks After having to remediate a rotten plywood floor and replacing the old plumbing, flange and adding ceramic tile I was 5/16 inch shy - the 1/4 inch spacer fit perfectly. Is the flange too high? It is proud of the floor by about 3/8" on one side and recessed on the opposite side for a total of about 1/2" out of level over the width of the flange. It appears to be sitting up too high on the pipe. It is off by 1/2 up all the way around the toilet. Here's a fix that can work to raise the floor level so that the toilet sits perfectly level and doesn't bottom out on the floor flange. we ripped up the old sub-floor and put a new one in. I shimmed the toilet so it did not rock (caulk the shims so they don't shift), then caulked around the base. 1-I can have a tilted toilet which is quite noticable. . Leaking toilet flanges can cause a variety of damage. The flange is bolted to the floor in order to secure the toilet bowl. Before installing toilet (still have not done) I placed it over flange to see how things are. I installed a new underlayment, Ditra waterproof membrane, and then I installed tiles over it, end result, the bathroom floor went down by about 1/2 inch when I place the new toilet bowl I see that it is not sitting flush with the floor, but is about 1/4 inch above floor. There is no gap between the bottom of the flange of the closet flange and the top of the sub-floor, it fits nice, snug and tight. I was able to make the flange solid, but the toilet rocked because the floor was not flat. We did not put the spacer in. Every time I pull the toilet the wax ring looks like it made good contact but maybe i'm wrong. I recently removed old tile from the bathroom floor, planning to install new tile. This is the same distance between the floor and flange, so it will never seal properly. It has a forward tilt of about 5deg to it and it's in a poured concrete floor. Many times an uneven floor and uneven setting of the toilet leads to rocking which then leads to a broken flange. 9 If necessary, use hammer and cold chisel to chip away tile to expose the closet flange. 2. Ive secured the toilet flange to the subfloor and after setting the tiles, there is now a 1/8th gap between flange and finished floor. See how it works out for a while, you can always try again later on if it starts to loosen up. Built around 1970. If the pvc flange was installed not level 25 years ago, what are my options? Or at that gap space will i need to double up on wax rings? 8 Stuff a rag in drainpipe to block sewer gases. This in turn causes the toilet to sit unevenly. In so doing, I discovered that the old tile was set on about 3 inches of thinset/mortar - which had effectively built up the floor 3 inches. I recently faced this issue. The object is to make a plywood form and fill the center with mortar. Toilet is NOT level but floor is! It does not take a full shim to level it. I talked to the builder, and they say itll be fine because the wax ring will account for the flange that will inevitably not sit flat on the floor. Steve used an Oatey 4″ replacement toilet flange for cast iron pipes. The under layment was mud bed which I removed too. Replace a tile/mud job floor in a bathroom. Can a single thick wax ring be sufficent enough to prevent leaks? Booted wax rings should not be used with toilet flanges that are high enough to prevent the toilet from sitting level on the floor. Place wood shims as required to get the toilet level. 7 Scrape away the old wax ring with a putty knife. Toilet flange above floor level [ 56 Answers ] I've seen plenty about the opposite problem - maybe this is something less common: my toilet flange is above the anticipated floor level. 5. It's been good so far. However, the toilet is not sitting level in pipe. I have tried 3 times now. Installed new tile floor. As explained above, the lip of the toilet flange should sit flush on the floor all the way around. Hammer a shim gently between the floor and the toilet base to bring a low side up. I then look at the toilet (again, a Mansfield) and realize that the toilet horn is so far up inside the body of the bowl there’s really no way to connect this toilet to the toilet flange with a standard sized wax ring unless the flange is above the tile floor, which wouldn’t make a lot of sense to me – long-term anyway. I put new tile down in this bathroom and the floor level has changed. Leveling a toilet takes just minutes with … I have tried to seat the toilet on this flange and its leaking every time. I removed old tile. A toilet flange is a device that joins your toilet bowl into the septic tank pipe. It will just touch at best. 1. i have put my 175lbs of weight on the toilet to smash the wax ring. If the toilet flange sits below the finished floor, the toilet will leak. Then remove the plywood form and set the toilet on the raised mortar bed. I've seen plenty about the opposite problem - maybe this is something less common: my toilet flange is above the anticipated floor level. 1. Added 1/4" extender to flange to compensate for floor height. Floor is PERFECTLY level in every direction I put my level. Extender makes flange about 1/8" higher than floor. Caulk the toilet to the floor if the problem is fixed. Tape these shims tightly to the finished floor so they don’t move when you lift the toilet back up. I just got around to finishing the bathroom and I found that the 4" waste line for the toilet is not straight up and down. It’s simple, the watertight seal between the toilet bowl and wax ring will eventually fail. I'm using the oately XL ring. Apply a generous bead of 100% silicone caulk on top of the old closet flange. Place the carpenters level across the toilet bowl side to side and note where the bubble level is. Laid on the toilet flange to elevate the stool flange to or just above the floor grade. With the flange is a gasket used to ensure that you will not have a leaky toilet. 6 Lift up the toilet and set it on newspaper or cardboard. Re: Toilet Flange and an uneven tile floor; Author: 9646 (TN) The gap between the toilet base when it is level and the lowest part of the uneven tile floor is a little less than 1/4 of an inch. The short answer is, the tile should extend close enough to the edge of the closet flange to be covered by the rim of the toilet. The other thing to look for is the depth of the existing flange. Toilets just bolt on top of the flange (a pipe fitting which connects the toilet drain to a drain pipe - see picture) that is designed to connect it to the main drain. Floor flange was set to be about 1 cm off the tile floor. Not a big deal, just a good thing to know. Everything reads level. BTW, this is a kohler cimarron, so not a cheap toilet. 10 Slip a repair plate under damage section of closet flange. This is not only annoying, but it can make the flushing action of the toilet less efficient. An improperly fitted toilet is often caused by the flange not sitting on the finished floor but rather, sitting above it, or it is not level with the floor. Toilet installations sometimes get undesirable results when not properly set up. I grouted the tile, then . That is NOW being replaced because the HO was demo the old floor and got too close to the toilet before I removed it. 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